Semi official House Rules

As a Nox player, I'm not a fan of rule 1. Skills like Time Theft that have 0 Damage and a side effect will be far too risky. The point of using the 4 AP for that spell is to weaken the targets next turn while buffing yours, with extra damage and debuff if you're lucky. Rule 1 would make it a completely High-Risk High-Reward situation, only appealing with Cards that increase the damage like Ice Dofus and Aqua Buff.

Rule 2 I can agree with some. It would discourage against having a low level token in the back as a shopper, and push the krosmasters to the front lines. I would imagine most Kros would buy their own Demonic Rewards, but there is some value to spending 3AP on a weaker Champion's turn to transfer a good reward to a stronger one.

I understand what you say about the rule 1. It doesn't just has this point to talk about but also it makes the rule to work differently if you hit an enemy or if you hit a friend. I was ok with it being a little intricate but it's okay as a general rule. If it affect single Krosmaster spell, however, it could be bad to not replanting it.

We wanted something that can nerf that part of the game where debuff is a fact. It is too predictable but nobody can do anything about, then by result, abusable. Only solution for that is to house rule the cards by separate too... Well, too bad.

Thanks for the feedback, it's good you liked the 2nd one. Hope more people get interested on this.

Before, I didn't understand what your goal with rule 1 was, but now I'll try to help out since you gave that nice explanation.

Since your goal is to make debuff more luck based than guarantee Rule 1 may meet your goal but I felt it made these spells too unappealing. Most of these abilities have a cost around 3-4 AP because of the extra effect, so I don't think it would be a good idea to use that spell when you could just hurt the enemy in most cases.

Option 1: Reduce the AP of these spells by 1 with Rule 1, so that when the chance isn't on your side you won't lose as much.

Option 2: Make the side effect based on Lock/Dodge rolls for success with Lock as offense and Dodge as Defense. I would think this could work in two ways.
2a: Roll a Second time for the Effect. Ex. Nox is given Lock and uses Time Theft on Yugo with Armor. They first roll for damage which results in 0, and then roll for the AP Steal with 1 Lock and 0 Dodge for a successful debuff.
2b: Add an extra die to the damage roll for the Lock and Dodge Powers, but with a max of 2 on both Damage and effect. Ex. Nox has Critical and Lock Powers and uses Time Theft on Yugo with both Armor and Dodge. Nox Rolls for 3 Critical and Yugo gets 2 Armor and 1 Dodge. With the max of +2 to Damage, we see 0(spell damage) +2(Critical Roll Max) -2 (Armor Roll) = 0 Damage and 0 Lock and 1 Dodge so the effect is negated.

For 2b the 2 useful roll max affects all powers (Critical, Armor, Dodge, Lock) in this instance. In the event of a tie (ie. 1 Lock 1 Dodge,) I think the effect should activate since it's easier to get Dodge than Lock, but that can be left to the players.

All of these suggestions are for Spells with 0 Damage and apply an AP or MP debuff, I don't think they should be used for 0 Damage and Damage modifiers (Sword of Just), or Armor Piercing & Life Steal. They could be used for Push/Attract, but again I'll leave that to the players.

I hope this helps.

A second check for the second effects sounds very accurate Never thought about that. Could it be a success if the opponent doesn't get a shield, and only a shield face, in the dice that way it would be very effective and reliable but with a single opportunity to be safe with luck.

Yes exactly, I think it would be best if the effect is successful when unopposed since it's why you would want to use the spell, and not the damage. The second check could even be done based on Critical/Armor if you'd like, I just thought Lock/Dodge would work better for Option 2b since you're rolling for both effects at the same time.

Well, let's try it to see if it works just like heals do, but just with allies: It doesn't allows rolling defense if the attack comes from an ally.